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bushka #1 Posted 28 September 2014 - 10:58 PM

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So I started the soviet line to basically grind to this particular tank since it looked so much fun.

 

KV1- 44 battles 59% success rate

KV1S -134 Battles 50% success Rate

IS - 129 Battles 58% success Rate

 

IS-3 54 Battles 38% success Rate.

 

It's miles away my worst tank of those i have actually had a crack at playing.  I've played 255 Battles with my T-32 American Heavy and roll along around 53% win rate with that after really really struglling at the start with low Crew and no cash (was my first Tier 8), but never dropping under 40%.  So i know the tier.  I know the weak spots of the same tier tanks and i understand the gameplay theory. 

 

Even the brutal start i had with the t95 & m103 wasn't nearly as bad as this.

 

is this tank worth persevering with?  Are the IS-8 & IS-7 any different?  

 

I've Got Upgraded Tracks/Engine/Turret but im still 32k short of the BL-9 Gun that will finally raise Penetration.

 

It's odd because i point directly at the incoming fire when under pressure but i still get penned through the cheeks very regularly.  

 

What am i missing here?

 

 

 


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Fosknow #2 Posted 28 September 2014 - 11:15 PM

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It is a good tank. Stick with it.

 

I upgraded the gun first. Always upgrade the gun. At least you can do some damage.

The armor is not impenetrable. You cannot just sit and let people shoot at you.

It is not the tank for maneuvering, but it makes up for that in fire power.

Stay away from T54s. They will drive circles around this tank.

 

IS8 is good also. Same theory, upgrade the gun first.



bushka #3 Posted 28 September 2014 - 11:31 PM

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I'm guessing i am rushing this thing way too hard.  It feels fragile to me.  The t32 and even to a lesser extent the m103 feel very very strong.  

 

On reflection i also think i've been very spoiled with the tanks so far with gun depression.


I can't really hull down very well on this tank because it's so bloody short.  


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Despreaux #4 Posted 28 September 2014 - 11:31 PM

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The IS-8: extremely fun, maneuverable, and best penetration value to all heavy tanks in this game with decent reload time. Its a very good tank to use when flanking or escorting heavily armored comrades. It does has very low frontal armor however it still may bounce shoots when angled properly.  Its sides has very good spaced armor making sidescraping a viable option and the tracks oftenly soaks damage. Its also a very hard tank to flank alone in a medium as it has good overall mobility. It should not brawl like the IS-3 and IS-7 does but due to its very decent accuracy, shooting from long ranges is very likely.

IS-7: behemoth of the tier 10s, low silhouette makes it far harder to hit and rounded hull armor makes even un aimed rear shoots bounce. Also still keeps good mobility second to the T110E5, this tank does has its weakness. It has weak lower plates however that plate can stop 225mm of penetration from going in to it. Its traverse speed isnt too good so be sure to keep in mind. Its gun has good penetration value but bad aim time and accuracy however the aim time can be fixed by equipments. Semi hulldown on this tank makes it almost invincible due to the slope of the turret and its thickness making most AP and Apcr shells to bounce off. Its very good at brawling and also leading a charge but never go alone


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bushka #5 Posted 28 September 2014 - 11:43 PM

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Sounds like the is8 & 7 are the tanks i really want lol.

 

Think i'll just play thsi one sparingly from here on in and focus on getting the t110E5 instead.

 

The odd thing is everyone on forums i searched was pumping this tank and the KV1s as the overpowered tanks in the line.  I've found the KV1 and the IS to be the beasts.

 

The IS in particular is absolutely superb.


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Despreaux #6 Posted 28 September 2014 - 11:53 PM

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Yes I kept my IS-8 ever since and got a E75 that does things very good. Was suprised on the maximum potential of both tanks. However I dont go battle tier 10 battles much due to the fact of too many gold spammers and people who overly rely on their tier 10s that may end up camping even the fact that they are HTs

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ShirouRabbit #7 Posted 29 September 2014 - 12:37 AM

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The IS-3 is worth persevering with.  The BL-9 really makes the tank.

Without the BL-9, you've got to work a lot harder to gain an advantageous position as the D-25T is only good for flank shots and weak spots, and the accuracy isn't that great for weak spots.  The ISU has the same problem with it's 122mm, but it has option of the ML-20S 152mm howitzer.

Even with the BL-9, this tank isn't very well armoured.  My philosophy is to only rely on the pike for lower tier enemies, use solid cover for anything else.
If you're facing two enemies, put solid cover between you and the highest threat, and point the pike at the lower threat.


After the steel walls of the KV series and the IS, this was the tank that made me stop and think a lot more about angling, side-scraping, etc.
Particularly how I approach corners, as the pike makes sticking your nose around a corner a very risky move.

These exercises let me achieve a ~50% win rate with the D-25T, and now that I have the BL-9, it's at 53% and rising.

It's also improved my performance in other tanks.
So I think it's worth it just from what you learn from it.
Going to the IS-8, you will have even less armour, though it carries more firepower and is more manoeuvrable, so practicing picking your shots and not getting hit now is a good idea.

 



bushka #8 Posted 29 September 2014 - 12:59 AM

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I like the idea about solid cover unless it's same or lower tier as a game rule.

 

Going to give it another 20 battles.


Thanks people.


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KodaK #9 Posted 29 September 2014 - 01:36 AM

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One of the cardinal (albeit unwritten) rules in wot: never call a tank terrible until you fully upgrade it and the crew

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View PostKodaK, on 29 September 2014 - 01:36 AM, said:

One of the cardinal (albeit unwritten) rules in wot: never call a tank terrible until you fully upgrade it and the crew

 

I guess that is very true

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Despreaux #11 Posted 29 September 2014 - 02:25 AM

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To addition, you cant call a tank terrible if you use it within full potential and gain its full results. When you get the best results you could (or anyone else) could do on it, then you can really judge it from the experience of yourself but not from what others think

"Right or wrong, evil or good, but they still fight, without second thoughts they march up to the enemy, they dont hope to go home tommorow, their families are now their war brothers, every bullet they shoot, every lives they taken, every blood they spilt, did they give up? They'll never give up, for their flag they will fight, even if it means dying at cost, rather than die in vain, they'll fight for whats theirs, until the last blood drop, they are the soldiers of war" -war-


bushka #12 Posted 29 September 2014 - 03:09 AM

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Kodak i have first hand experience with that.  T-32 i was massively dissapointed in after the 60% + t-29.


Now i prefer running in that tank over any other vehicle.

 

The thing is this feels so very very different.  I'm sure it'll get better it can't get worse.


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KodaK #13 Posted 29 September 2014 - 03:23 AM

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I never felt the disappointment when i moved up to the t32. In fact, i liked it better than the 29. It's prolly because you see a lot of tier 10s with the 32 but using the same gun. But i digress.

 

as far as the is3 is concerned, it's pretty good when it's in the right hands. It's such a letdown on armor because everyone and their pet dog plays it so much there isn't anything about it that can be hidden at this point



Despreaux #14 Posted 29 September 2014 - 05:04 AM

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The IS-3 has a weakspot where we all know for sure (top of the turret which is 20mm) and this being exposed is very dangerous so be sure to hide it by showing your equally strong side or rear turret armor as even tier 10 shoots would bounce there. The IS-3 is also a very good sidescrapper as its side is sloped and have spaces armor 

"Right or wrong, evil or good, but they still fight, without second thoughts they march up to the enemy, they dont hope to go home tommorow, their families are now their war brothers, every bullet they shoot, every lives they taken, every blood they spilt, did they give up? They'll never give up, for their flag they will fight, even if it means dying at cost, rather than die in vain, they'll fight for whats theirs, until the last blood drop, they are the soldiers of war" -war-





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