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Nomnom_51 #1 Posted 12 July 2019 - 09:17 AM

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We can all agree that the TD spam at tier 10 is horrible with 3 on each side every match, especially with the 183s running around at least 1 every match. Considering that the alpha of the 183 can’t be nerfed (because it wouldn’t be a 183 anymore, and also JPE100 would be next), why not nerf the HESH pen to 150-175mm as currently is can hesh through the front of many tanks (any medium, the lower plates of many heavies - I’ve gone through an is7s lower glacis before), and/or also an increase in reload time to 25-30s to reduce its brokenness in endgame situations. Understandably, this tank is already quite difficult to play well in consistently, however, the spam of this tank stagnates battles too much, often destroying the chance for any tank to push up.

Nomnom_51 #2 Posted 12 July 2019 - 09:42 AM

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Also on another note maybe reduce the armour values for the 183 all over to 10mm because I’ve bounced more shots in the 183 from e100s than I’ve deserved. This would also make it much more susceptible to HE and give it the paper armour it deserves.

ankitgusai19 #3 Posted 12 July 2019 - 10:31 AM

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View PostNomnom_51, on 12 July 2019 - 02:47 PM, said:

We can all agree that the TD spam at tier 10 is horrible with 3 on each side every match, especially with the 183s running around at least 1 every match. Considering that the alpha of the 183 can’t be nerfed (because it wouldn’t be a 183 anymore, and also JPE100 would be next), why not nerf the HESH pen to 150-175mm as currently is can hesh through the front of many tanks (any medium, the lower plates of many heavies - I’ve gone through an is7s lower glacis before), and/or also an increase in reload time to 25-30s to reduce its brokenness in endgame situations. Understandably, this tank is already quite difficult to play well in consistently, however, the spam of this tank stagnates battles too much, often destroying the chance for any tank to push up.


In last meet up with devs community contributors asked what they are going to do about it and devs were very reluctant to answer. Ultimately they said they have no plans to nerf HESH 'performance'. 

My guess is that  FV215b-183 is very popular and playerbase is so polarised that doing anything will likely to make the other half angry. Unless they find absolutely middle ground to 'balance' 183 nothing will happen to its gun. 
 



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View Postankitgusai19, on 12 July 2019 - 10:31 AM, said:


In last meet up with devs community contributors asked what they are going to do about it and devs were very reluctant to answer. Ultimately they said they have no plans to nerf HESH 'performance'. 

My guess is that  FV215b-183 is very popular and playerbase is so polarised that doing anything will likely to make the other half angry. Unless they find absolutely middle ground to 'balance' 183 nothing will happen to its gun. 
 


yeah but to what extent is 240mm of high explosive pen justifiable? They’ve balanced the new Brit TD line pretty well (with exception of the charioteer - could still use another 25mm loss on hesh pen) but just left the 183 as it is.



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Why is wargaming bringing so many td lines anyways. So many 150mm guns in the game which makes tier 10 pretty hard to play in lightly armoured vehicles.

About 183 i agree that making its armour (if wargaming doesn't want to nerf hesh) like grille would balance it. As it will be easier to clear out. Or otherwise reduce the alpha of premium hesh maybe.

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View Posthunter689, on 12 July 2019 - 08:20 PM, said:

Why is wargaming bringing so many td lines anyways. So many 150mm guns in the game which makes tier 10 pretty hard to play in lightly armoured vehicles.

About 183 i agree that making its armour (if wargaming doesn't want to nerf hesh) like grille would balance it. As it will be easier to clear out. Or otherwise reduce the alpha of premium hesh maybe.

As I said in my main points Alpha cannot be touched, or a whole lotta other rebalancing has to occur. Hesh is special to Brit tanks, but it shouldn’t have such a high pen that it’s broken.



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No way man! We're having fun at fv 183! It's already balanced with Horrific reload time, Paper armor and turtle speed!

 



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View PostNomnom_51, on 12 July 2019 - 09:17 AM, said:

We can all agree that the TD spam at tier 10 is horrible with 3 on each side every match, especially with the 183s running around at least 1 every match. Considering that the alpha of the 183 can’t be nerfed (because it wouldn’t be a 183 anymore, and also JPE100 would be next), why not nerf the HESH pen to 150-175mm as currently is can hesh through the front of many tanks (any medium, the lower plates of many heavies - I’ve gone through an is7s lower glacis before), and/or also an increase in reload time to 25-30s to reduce its brokenness in endgame situations. Understandably, this tank is already quite difficult to play well in consistently, however, the spam of this tank stagnates battles too much, often destroying the chance for any tank to push up.

if they will do to fv183 what they did to KV2 i would rather sale my fv183,,,,, actually in every tanks win rate fv was far left behind,,, fv 183 was not actually good for winning according to win rate of tanks and now if they will make changes that make fv183 more bad then more players would rather sold those tanks,,,,, i suggest leave it like that for the tank's pride and beauty. actually when i found out KV2 was been nerfed, i sold it,, why play kv2 that was not as usual? who among us wants to play bad tank and lose?  



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If youre getting derped by 183, then youre playing tier 10 wrong. Decent players know most of the 183 spots and be wary of it. If you whine at tier 10, then youre not suppose to be at that tier. No offense.

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View PostxXYoloNoobSwagXx, on 09 November 2019 - 06:10 AM, said:

If youre getting derped by 183, then youre playing tier 10 wrong. Decent players know most of the 183 spots and be wary of it. If you whine at tier 10, then youre not suppose to be at that tier. No offense.

With you on that...

I do, however, believe it needs a rework- not to make it balanced, but to make it fit in with the rest of the line. Below are my list of proposed changes

Dispersion- 0.85

Aim time- 1.5s 

Side armour- 110mm

Turret cheeks-150mm

Turret roof-65mm






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