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erwin10001 #61 Posted 11 February 2019 - 08:07 AM

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View PostJuliusHeide, on 11 February 2019 - 07:02 AM, said:

 

They actually mention considerations like more lower tier tanks than higher tier tanks etc.

 

 

 

yet in Blitz there are countless times when I am the only low tier tank in the team.... Juliusheide did the maths above regarding the probability of 1 single low tier tank if the outcome was random and its clear that the actual outcomes are far more frequent than randomness suggests.  

 

if you have 7 tanks, 50% for each tank to be high tier or low tier, but you end up with 6 tanks high tier, and 1 tank low tier, is like flipping 7 coins with 6 heads and 1 tail. 

 

so it seems that MM is not based on totally random allocation of tanks....

 

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by erwin10001, 11 February 2019 - 08:10 AM.


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No one on pc is happy with the MM watch Quickybaby, Dezgamez or Klaus Kellerman.

ZIGZAGZ #63 Posted 12 February 2019 - 06:47 AM

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What i've always wondered is that Tier X matches are a black hole for upper tier. That means, the math can never be equal, because tier 10 is forever the over-tier. So when you go down the line, somebody's gotta be the sacrificial lamb, so that Tier 10 can play every game as over-tier. As such, there isn't going to be a '50%' golden ratio for probability's sake, and also there cannot be a fair amount of every tier online. As obvious, higher tiers tend to also have much less players in the queue during a working day.



erwin10001 #64 Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:27 AM

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View PostZIGZAGZ, on 12 February 2019 - 06:47 AM, said:

 

What i've always wondered is that Tier X matches are a black hole for upper tier. That means, the math can never be equal, because tier 10 is forever the over-tier. So when you go down the line, somebody's gotta be the sacrificial lamb, so that Tier 10 can play every game as over-tier. As such, there isn't going to be a '50%' golden ratio for probability's sake, and also there cannot be a fair amount of every tier online. As obvious, higher tiers tend to also have much less players in the queue during a working day.

 

Tier 1 is forever under-tier so doesn't it balance out.... unless one assumes there are probably more tier 10 games than tier 1 games? (not certain, if there are large number of new players, there could be more tier 1 than tier 10 games)

 

 

 

 



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View PostAngryMunky666, on 07 February 2019 - 11:46 AM, said:

MM is what it is. Nothing to do but deal with the s*** hand you get dealt.

 

Yes.

 

MM is not fair.

 

It is designed to encourage glue sniffing by letting you win a few, so you think you are improving, then give you ten serves of green potatoes together with a serve of AFKs and “where did that shell go” as desert.



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View Posterwin10001, on 12 February 2019 - 04:27 PM, said:

 

Tier 1 is forever under-tier so doesn't it balance out.... unless one assumes there are probably more tier 10 games than tier 1 games? (not certain, if there are large number of new players, there could be more tier 1 than tier 10 games)

 

 

 

 

 

I did consider that before. But, Tier 1 enjoys preferential matchmaking. Tier 10 does not.  So you can't really 'balance out' in general.

erwin10001 #67 Posted 13 February 2019 - 04:44 AM

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View PostZIGZAGZ, on 13 February 2019 - 04:19 AM, said:

 

I did consider that before. But, Tier 1 enjoys preferential matchmaking. Tier 10 does not.  So you can't really 'balance out' in general.

 

If tier 1 enjoys preferential matchmaking, that implies that tier 2 will always be under tier then?

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On pc it’s +2-2 MM and they use 3-5-7. What we need is 8v8 and 3-5 MM

ZIGZAGZ #69 Posted 13 February 2019 - 02:25 PM

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View Posterwin10001, on 13 February 2019 - 12:44 PM, said:

 

If tier 1 enjoys preferential matchmaking, that implies that tier 2 will always be under tier then?

 

Yup! But since T2/3 games are much less than T5/6/7/8, which are so much closer to T10, the brunt of the under-tier matchmaking would logically go there wouldn't it?

Too bad we can't confirm this and can only make conjectures.

That being said, it's only my guess as to why so many of my T5-8 matches are under-tier games.



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View PostZIGZAGZ, on 13 February 2019 - 02:25 PM, said:

 

Yup! But since T2/3 games are much less than T5/6/7/8, which are so much closer to T10, the brunt of the under-tier matchmaking would logically go there wouldn't it?

Too bad we can't confirm this and can only make conjectures.

That being said, it's only my guess as to why so many of my T5-8 matches are under-tier games.

 

perhaps WG should ban 0 and 1 star players from playing in tier 10 (Bushka's video on the M60 troll comes to mind). this will reduce the number of t10 tanks looking for games and may give a chance for T9 to get more T8/9 games?

 

 


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Ban zero and one star from playing above tier V.

I played 1 tier X battle yesterday did approx 1500 damage but did not feel that was good enough so went back to V.


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If, as imagined that MM places players as lower tier in battles to balance their winrate - then shouldnt there be a corresponding balance in the other direction ?

 

It would be informative to know how often players get to be the sole upper tier tank on their team.

If the allocation really is random then that should happen just as often as being the sole lower tier tank on team.

 

Anybody care to share their enjoyment of that lucky high tier outcome ?

I cant really recall any such outcomes, but it may be just a memory bias at work...

 

 

 



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When MM decides you're gonna lose, you're gonna lose! I've been losing all day... red teams always good, low tier almost every game, change tiers, change tanks, log off/log on, nothing helps. Even tried tier 2. Still lose! :( It makes you angry! :angry: I wish they would come up with a fair system. No one wants to play like this.
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View PostJuliusHeide, on 04 June 2019 - 04:42 PM, said:

If, as imagined that MM places players as lower tier in battles to balance their winrate - then shouldnt there be a corresponding balance in the other direction ?

 

It would be informative to know how often players get to be the sole upper tier tank on their team.

If the allocation really is random then that should happen just as often as being the sole lower tier tank on team.

 

Anybody care to share their enjoyment of that lucky high tier outcome ?

I cant really recall any such outcomes, but it may be just a memory bias at work...

 

 

I've been the sole lower tier player quite a few times but I can only recall being the sole upper tier player only a couple of times

 


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View PostTnkDztroyer, on 04 June 2019 - 08:00 AM, said:

When MM decides you're gonna lose, you're gonna lose! I've been losing all day... red teams always good, low tier almost every game, change tiers, change tanks, log off/log on, nothing helps. Even tried tier 2. Still lose! :( It makes you angry! :angry: I wish they would come up with a fair system. No one wants to play like this.

 

Destroyer is back... to complaining about MM?  Like I said in another thread, if not happy about MM, just uninstall. Many of my regular platoonmates have already uninstalled.

 

Myself, I still see a little fun in the game if I play once in a while, so I still play, but much less often. Just accept that MM has to favour new players to give them a comfortable game and encourage them to spend money, in order to keep the servers running. 

 

 



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This is an old thread from February when it was the last post.  I will be locking this thread as it has also turned into attacks previously.

 

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